And while INIT was in the old Northern Coalition, that was during 2008/9 and before Tech was the T2 bottleneck.

[quote=Lord Haur]It doesn't matter what high end moon goo you choose. Technetium, Promethium, Dysprosium, Neodymium, Thulium. The point is its an isk faucet that is essentially major money maker for any alliance. And crying over ice production when you got a faucet like that make you look a fool.

They ALL are profitable.

See the tree for the forest why don't you. Good god. Should I just edit out thulium from my post would that make you happy and invalidate all moon mining as profit making?

True fact, Several highsec isk generating systems have been nerfed/downgraded over the oast 3 years.

Is it too much to voice your concern when you can see your primary income being chipped away in favour of groups who already have huge income potential?

And yet the net effect has always been negative to isk generation.

If that was the case, then why is it, that even thousand man alliances get locked out of HS when decced with <10 man corps. Why does nullsec leadership loose their **** when a JF (or 4) gets lost to a war target in HS and instead of fighting, they give the direction to stay out?

paying a subscription fee doesn't entitle you to success, it entitles you to the exact same thing it entitles anyone else: the ability to log in and create your own success

they're just making high sec harder to make profitable so that people will go to low and null.

Funny, they've been saying it for years.

Not that I agree one way or the other. But sometimes you don't need words, Actions can speak louder.

Tell that to the hundreds who attacked the monuments in Amarr and Jita during Monoclegate. While I am sure some of them were of the paranoid-delusional type. A lot were not. Don't discount an arguments basis just because it is couched in words you don't like or are phrased wrong.

I'm saying even if you don't like what someone says, it doesn't mean there isn't any truths to be found in it.

I am looking forward to The Elder Scrolls Online beta, it should be starting soon.

I wonder if you'll be saying this in 4-5 months when prices double for your precious ships and modules. You guys can put down carebearing all you want, but it's the only thing keeping ships in your hangar bay and modules in your inventory to fly those ships.

In a WH you don't have local, and that's my point.. The PROBES gave you a headsup to GTFO.. In Odyssey, a fast tackle can jump into a system, scan down the grav site and warp there BEFORE whoever is in that belt will be able to align to warp out. (and that's in a regular system where the miner has the warning of local) in WHs,,. your only warning will be the guy decloaking and scramming you.

No.. but makign mining in the dangerous areas of space, become even more of a turkey shoot. will cause a drop in those spaces being used for mining.. Which in turn will reduce supply, and thus drive prices.

Facts are troublesome things.

A. You have provided no facts.

After a lot of written pages, can we agree at least on one thing? There's no real improvements in this patch?

they could not meet demand for a reasonable price

Which one is more current, 2011 or 2012?

However, not in sufficient amounts to meet demand. Demand fell by 40% remember? That means that almost half the POS operators involved decided it was in their best interests to give up and go elsewhere than to continue to produce T2.

He indicated that much more ice was being mined. And yet the quote you so graciously found for us gives no indication that production volumes for null increased.

Why do people pose switching tower types as a solution? All that will do is create greater demand on the other isotopes and drive those prices up. Which in turn will still affect the rest of the production chain.

Contained within the provided quote, his quote, not mine. No unequivocal statement of increased null ice production exists. And again I point out to you that traded volumes decreased while not indicating directly, a reduction in Gal. ice mining. Certainly supportive of.

That fact that they could do these things led to a much...

I guess that really depends on what you consider new.. 1 week, 1 month, 3 months? In a complex game, you can play for 6 months and still be fairly new at it. So to generalize that higher t2 prices won't affect new players IMHO is quite wrong.

The economy will implode. That was just addressing the changes in Ice. The changes in mins are going to take a sledge hammer to the eve o economy by flooding the market with free goods. Let me ask you a question, genius, what happens when you take the basic material that a given economy is based on, and devalue it?


I'll tell you, if you're too dense to figure it out: it collapses.

how could it not affect them? if I have to pay higher prices, so does a 2 week old toon.. Now my earning potential is way higher than a new players. So in all honesty, T2 prices will have a greater effect to new pilots as opposed to the older pilots who are not as hard up for isk to make their monthly plex payments etc.

so then in your wisdom.. WHAT is integral to a newbie? Or better yet.. Please define what you consider a newbie..

*sigh*

I shouldn't have to explain this to anyone who has a level of education better than grade school, but here goes:


Like Goldilocks, EvE O is dependent on minerals maintaining a certain balance of value (not too much, not too little, but just right) and PvP keeping the market moving by creating demand. (Thus the old rule, don't fly what you cannot afford to lose.)

This also creates the movement of trade between the empires, lowsec, nullsec, and WH, as minerals are distributed differently across all those areas, with nullsec being the major consumer of ice products and trit, and the major supplier of zy, meg, and morph. This cycle keeps funds and goods moving from null to high and back again and gives noobs, non-aligned corps, and some alliances their daily bread in low and high sec.

Now, what this expansion does is nerf ice and devalue trit, meaning that nullsec imports decrease. This decreases PvP as T2 becomes more expensive, and more null dwellers are forced to sit around and protect nullbears mining ops.

Thus, bad for PvP and leads to reduced demand as fewer ships are going boom.

This also leads to financial stagnation in the low and high sec commodities markets, as nullplayers find they have less and less demand for their major exports. This is called a 'trade deficit' and leads to inflation.

Inflation is bad for EvE.

[I thought I made it pretty clear that having less disposable income (ie. more isk you now have to pay for modules and ships) will harm the new player experience. I can't really put a time limit on the new player because it is also effected by whether or not said player is plexing or paying a monthly fee. But let's say a character moving from a BC to a BS will feel the hit of raised t2 prices quite a bit, especially if said character is trying to PLEX his account as well.

yes the real military does gank, but they gank other solders who have guns. Not women and children.

Still no comment on the economist appreciation I see. Dodge much, eh?

technical analysis basically contains enough caveats that it is unfalsifiable: if you lost money, you did it wrong, if you gain money, you did it right

so no prominent anyone involved in science would give it a professional endorsement because it is that most despised of theories: something that isn't even defined enough to be wrong. you actually have to start reading it and its application though to understand how incoherent it is and on a brief glance it looks like someone is doing something interesting and useful because hey, graphs, lines, strange terminology everywhere someone's probably doing something scientific!

oops.

And yet that 25% of nullsec bots is responsible for 90% of the RMT alliances in the game.